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Frameless vs. Framed Backpacks: Which Do You Need?

A frameless pack can save a pound or more, but only if your load is light enough. Here's how a frame works, where the weight line is, and how to work out yours.

One of the biggest single weight savings in a backpacking kit is the pack itself. Going from a traditional framed pack to a frameless one can cut a pound or two. But a frameless pack carrying too much weight is miserable: it sags, rides on your shoulders and wears you down by mid-afternoon. Here's how to tell which you need.

What a frame does

A frame, whether an aluminum stay, a carbon hoop, or a stiff plastic framesheet, keeps the pack rigid and transfers the load from your shoulder straps down to the hip belt, where your legs and hips carry it. Your skeleton is far better at carrying weight on the hips than hanging it from the shoulders. Without a frame, most of the weight hangs from your shoulders, and as the pack fills it barrels into a round shape that pulls backward.

The total-weight line

Most people find frameless packs comfortable up to about 20 to 25 lb total, including food and water. Packs with a removable frame cover the middle ground, and fully framed packs take over beyond that.

FramelessRemovable frameFramedBase 9 lbFood 7 lbWater= 20.4 lb: frameless works0 lb10 lb20 lb30 lb40 lbtotal carried weight (base + food + water)
Where each pack type is comfortable, by total carried weight. Work out your heaviest day (usually right after a resupply) and pick the pack for that.

Work out your number for your heaviest day, usually right after a resupply:

A 9 lb base weight with 4 days of food (7 lb) and 2 liters of water (4.4 lb) comes to about 20 lb, comfortably frameless. A 14 lb base weight with the same food and water is over 25 lb, and a framed pack will feel far better. Building your list in the pack builder gives you the base weight automatically.

The Cutaway 20 | 30 | 40Photo: Nashville Pack
Frameless Nashville Pack The Cutaway 20 | 30 | 40
9.0 oz$355

20 L · carries up to 25 lb. Pack weighs 9.0 oz.

Stache 90L PackPhoto: Blue Ice
Removable frame Blue Ice Stache 90L Pack
7.1 oz$300

90 L. Pack weighs 7.1 oz.

CS40 Ultra BackpackPhoto: Outdoor Vitals
Framed Outdoor Vitals CS40 Ultra Backpack
2.0 oz$325

51 L · carries up to 35 lb. Pack weighs 2.0 oz.

The middle ground

Other things to check

The quick version

  1. Add up base weight, food and water for your heaviest day.
  2. Under about 20 lb: frameless works. 20 to 30 lb: a removable frame is the flexible choice. Over 30 lb: a framed pack.
  3. Get the torso length right, then compare on weight.

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Find out where your total weight lands: open the pack builder →